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Have it dip underground just long enough to have its platforms below the 18 Ave station (dont want to add any elevated curves) and then rise up for Ditmas whose support structure was designed for four tracks. Two narrow staircases and one elevator connect both platforms to a small upper level mezzanine that has two public restrooms (one for men and the other for women) and leads to a bank of turnstiles. 480-foot B locals are actually 31 feet shorter than IRT local trains yet have more room because theyre wider. I will say that the Utica stop spacing is fine; its not any wider than the Queens Boulevard local and it stops at every intersecting street with a frequent bus connection. Eastern Parkway & Utica Avenue. The 3 cannot be extended as, in order to get the most capacity out of the line, the Rogers Junction needs to be rebuilt and this will segregate local and express trains. Like Court Square-Court Square awkward? What are the closest stations to Utica Avenue? Nice ideas so far! The center of the station slopes down and there is a lowered ceiling compared to the rest of the station. The transit desert is along Utica Ave south of Eastern Parkway. Same goes for if a problem happens by Flatbush or Utica, a train can be easily detoured to another branch. No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build.. The junction is built awkwardly where the tunnels are twisting in such a way to become bi-level. The Manhattan plans remained the same, but the line east from South 4th Street would continue on only to Marine Park via Utica Ave. So theres a source of northern capacity right there. They will have elevators or ramps for handicapped access. Gov. Would it be possible to connect the Utica Avenue like with the Fulton Street line? The bi-level station means that the branch would have a simpler time merging with the trunk. Parkchester on the 6. I chose to believe that rerouting the B/D to Williamsburg opens up far more possibilities. . This would suggest that even if the full line was to be built most riders would be transferring to trunk lines headed to downtown rather staying on to midtown via Williamsburg. The station listings are extremely far apart to where it barely serves any local communities on the route. With subway costs so high els may be the only way to go. Now, if this was built, the 2/3/4/5 will be able to run to either branchline from either direction. Now we know late nights the 3/5 dont run in Brooklyn. and weekends the 5 doesnt go to Brooklyn. In the Bronx the Grand Concourse Subway was designed to at least compete with the Jerome Ave elevated if not eventually replace it and in Brooklyn the Fulton St Subway was built to replace the Fulton El out to Queens with provisions built to allow a connection with the Jamaica Ave elevated. My thinking is that the train has to slow down and then speed up for the stop in the station anyway. Subway prematurely. 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I disagree that people can just simply take a bus, but extending the Nostrand Av line south is needed. Extending Utica north of Eastern Parkway should only ever be done if trains in Williamsburg are beyond capacity and a new East River crossing is needed. Between Fulton St and Empire Blvd, Utica Av is a two lane street, past Empire its a four lane street. It has to go BWY7 which means local tracks in Brooklyn. Close by to where youd have your subway portal at Kings Highway is the Bay Ridge branch. It would reduce the need for bus transfers. You could replace Lafayette Ave with a new station that joins the fray and then shares track with the R. All tunnels built after the original subway were built to B Division standards. Drawing fantasy lines on paper is far more fun when you have unlimited possibilities but if we are planning out a project today there are some real world considerations that come first. Most of southeast Brooklyn is built out already, the new development would require upzoning and will take time. MTA. The only elevated line that the IND ever built was the Culver Viaduct between Carroll St and 4th Ave-9th Sts and this was done in a similar way. But the question is what is more dire, commuters coming from Wall St (with their many different subway options) or those coming from Williamsburg (with the congested L)? Yet youd have it built to B division clearances. Great idea. No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build. and Park Aves commuter train viaduct looks good all the time. Freeway-style concrete pillars. Another elevator from the south mall leads to fare control.[23]. Also if most people are going to midtown (which Id argue given the census data I show isnt the case) then there is nothing in the way of this with the new routing. [19][20], In 1981, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority listed the station among the 69 most deteriorated stations in the subway system. . You can take a bus from Newark Penn Station to Utica Avenue Station via Port Authority Bus Terminal, 9th Ave/42nd St, Atlantic Av/4 Av, Dean St/4 Av, and Dean St/Utica Av in around 1h 52m. The Culver Viaduct is at maximum 90 feet wide requiring it take up half the block (Brooklyn blocks like these are 200 feet wide). Your plan strips the West End from one-seat access to Chinatown and Midtown. An additional part of the project would be to create a better terminal at Flatbush Ave-Brooklyn College. This was built into the station as a provision for the proposed Utica Avenue Line, which is why the station itself has no exits to Utica Avenue. And another commenter hit upon phasing. 3. [21], This underground station serves local and express trains in a two-level layout with two island platforms. Past Clarendon Rd the line would split with two tracks peeling east to a new yard facility built along the LIRR Bay Ridge line (requiring land taking). This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. Climbing the ramp to the entrance level reveals more windows and doors These doors provide access to the disused portion of the upper level mezzanine, which has steps leading to the disused portion of the intermediate level mezzanine (which in turn leads directly to the unfinished station). And this angle within the station level might be improved if it were to be reworked for two tracks instead of four with no fresh excavation needed. Even the New Lots branch doesnt have a third track and you could argue it needs one more than this. The Fulton route would have a bottleneck closer in at the crossings around Hoyt-Schermerhorn. Its a dense, transit dependent corridor with a recently opened and popular Select Bus Service line and the Utica Ave stations on the 3/4 and A/C have some of the highest ridership on their respective lines. Last but not least, are the 2 and 3 doing skip stop? NEW YORK, NY - Police are seeking a man who allegedly exposed himself and performed a 'lewd act' in the presence of a 21-year-old female subway passenger. When the IRT built the Eastern Parkway Line between 1915 and 1918 they built into it a provision for a future branch down Utica Ave (the IRT, in fact, built its entire Brooklyn section with many provisions for future expansion that either never happened or ended up being built by a competing company). I-beams and could be outfitted as faades on older structures as they Most of these riders are coming from the bus so simply extending the IRT south isnt going to strain the system. The point of Utica Ave is that riders are trying to get downtown so who would ever ride the 4 all the way out just to switch to the A when they could have just gotten on the A at the first place. Renovations added looping maroon tile patterns at the mezzanine level, as well as the platform's floor pattern. Im more in support of an IRT Utica Avenue subway and now you made a Rogers Junction plan clear. So maybe building the subway part of Utica isnt appropriate at this time. Abandoned 9th Avenue Subway Station. 34 St- Penn Station. Delays wont occur because of judges ordering you to change your practices to mitigate pollution or traffic effects. Since we are only building Utica and not the larger network designed to replace the elevated that means that the subway would be competing with the existing trains for riders and based on ridership statistics the stations along the route arent exactly bursting at the seams: in 2015 annual ridership numbers. In order to avoid trains passing at grade you need to segregate the local and express trains. The line was proposed to cut across town to Columbus Circle, one avenue block away. Well then what are we waiting for? Let's take a trip down memory lane to explain why. The first instance I can find of a proposal for Utica comes from a NY Times article in 1913 where residents were debating the best route. Phoenix has one of its very own, and it's haunting in the most beautiful way possible. The big attraction to politicians of boring subways instead of cut-and-cover is that it removes so much uncertainty. Youve presented an excellent case for ruling out Williamsburg. Bubble the reworking there to the top of the list and once done it can do 12 B Div. And as mentioned before, an IRT branch off of Eastern Pkwy should be built instead to reduce this amount of cost, except the (3) should be rerouted there instead of the (5). Between Avenue O and Fillmore St is an MTA bus maintenance facility which can be rebuilt to have a small yard on the roof. On the other hand, your SAS plans involve building at least two complicated junctions to active tracks (including one under the East River) and lots of reliability-tanking interlining. Six other lines would have to be widened for it to stay as the 4. Im not sure why you are even proposing this. I dont really see the need for a peak direction track this far out. Ive thought of three more elevated footprint lightening techniques; these are all actually in use right now: 9. [17] On August 23, 1920, the Eastern Parkway Line was extended from Atlantic Avenue to Crown HeightsUtica Avenue, with the Utica Avenue station opening at this time. want to either go to Midtown West or Midtown East. Existing abandoned portions: Part of a station for 6 tracks, with four island platforms. It was first constructed as the Eighth Avenue Line in Manhattan in 1932.. One of three rail networks that became part of the . Environmentalists wont sue over the clouds of dust raised. Im not opposed to interlining but given the unique layout of the Rogers Junction the only affordable option is to segregate the services. 31, is a three-track elevated line. RPA proposes extending the line on a gradual diagonal from 25th Street and 11th Avenue to Ninth Avenue and 14th Street, with a Station at 25th/23rd between 11th and 10th Avenues. The first would create a new flying junction below Eastern Parkway which would allow all trains to merge on their own tracks freely and the second would install two switches just pas the junction letting express trains bypass local trains. The closest stations to Utica Avenue are: Utica Av/Beverly Rd is 115 yards away, 2 min walk. I outlined my plans for 2nd Ave in a previous post but one thing I only mentioned in passion was how Phase 4 could be achieved cheaper if it was connected to Nassau St after Chatham Sq (as in, 2nd Ave would not connect to Centre St by Bowery by to Nassau St by Chambers). In May 2014, MTA installed three elevators: one near the intersection of Utica Avenue and Fulton Street, connecting the mezzanine to the street, and two elevators connecting the platforms to the mezzanine. Less light-blocking like 5 but vertical. Given the upfront costs of building it that seems like a waste (yes, 2nd Ave only hits that with the Q but it is at least designed to add the T later on). 1135 Eastern Parkway. N,R all times except late nights, W weekdays only, 5 all times except late nights,6. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. Then you can continue trains on into Brooklyn. This leads me to propose that the first part of the plan to be built is the Utica Ave stretch from Eastern Parkway to Kings Plaza connecting to the IRT Eastern Parkway Line but with provisions for a future extension north (all tunnels would be built to the larger B division specs). A hybrid of 1 and 6: The el is still over roadway challenge. 2. When would you see it converted to that? This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. [8][9][10] On April 28, 1908, the IRT formally applied with the New York Public Service Commission for permission to open the final section of the Contract 2 line from Borough Hall to Atlantic Avenue near the Flatbush Avenue LIRR station. Artwork here was made in 1996 by Jimmy James Green and is called Children's Cathedral. Precinct: (718) 735-0611 Community Affairs: (718) 735-0634 Crime Prevention: (718) 735-0658 - Jason Marsman - E-mail: jason.marsman@nypd.org - Kelvin Vidal - E-mail: kelvin.vidal@nypd.org Domestic Violence Officer: (718) 735-0600 - E-mail Youth Coordination Officer: (718) 735-0657 . Emergency responders rushed to the A/C . The current switch layout requires that local trains merge directly in front of express trains causing delays and capacity constrains. There is a very good argument to be made that building the Worth St-Williamsburg section would alleviate traffic on the L train and serve a growing jobs center around Hudson Sq in lower Manhattan. The MTA studied [PDF] rebuilding this junction in 2009 and came up with two plans. But I think it was for a different one than the four you give. The biggest issue I have with you routings is that it ignores the changes that need to happen at Rogers Junction. I just noticed not just the rough formatting and typos but Id accidentally truncated my handle to H. And I though drafting it offline would reduce mistakes! Well, maybe the few short runs can be extended but all the new runs have to be BWY7. Transfer the money (like it exists!) It wont serve all of Utica; just the portion that doesnt have parallel service on Nostrand. Imagine what kinds of service could be offered if that block-long tunnel was ever built! They will have wider entries, pathways and platforms so they wont have to be rebuilt to greater capacity later, as is being done to so many of them now. Like on the Jamaica el. February 10, 2019 12:27pm Mark Mellone A woman was in critical condition after she ended up under a train at the Utica Avenue subway early Sunday morning, cops said. It looks to be about two miles long. Subway, local station, ADA accessible (ONLY northbound 6) 59 St. E 60 St and Lexington Ave, E 59 St and Lexington Ave, E 60 St and 3rd Ave. Four side platforms. The Manhattan-bound platform has its metalwork painted in golden yellow and the tiles beneath the trim line in dark blue. Also as Vanshookenraggen stated, the IND Utica Av Station will have to be teared up and relocated. This is the level of transit that buses provide for a fraction of the cost. As for the bus Im sure it will go back to being local but if the demand is there for SBS (especially thru Bed Stuy) theres nothing stopping it from remaining. Another diamond crossover, east of here, connects the southbound express track to a ramp down to the lower level. The IRT built their Utica Ave station west of Utica Ave with turnouts in the track walls so that a branch could split. The MTA has only been making these small extensions, the last major one (affected more than 3 lines) was in 1967-1968, which changed the BB, T, TT, D, F, JJ, M, MM, and the QT, and added the QJ, B, and KK. IRT Utica would run express by default and be a much quicker commute (not to mention better transfer options at Atlantic Ave.) As you stated CBTC will boost frequency a bit more but those are all other projects that need to be done first. Crime Statistics (PDF) Crime Statistics (Excel) Contact Information. station count on BWY7 and 8AV between 110th and 72nd. Checking schedules for the A and C tells me that they max out at 17, leaving 9 slots for Utica St. service. Also major problem. Rolling back to the more germane silliness, I think Ive sniffed out a problem with the proposed local (2, 3) and express (4, 5) split the lower cost workout will lead to. PABT-Times Square awkward? A, the train is smaller, making it able for more stations. [2] The Reid Avenue El station, which was originally named Utica Avenue and was formerly above the current subway station, closed on May 31, 1940.[5]. This would be the beginning of the IND plan which would ultimately propose extending a branch of the 6th Ave Subway through Williamsburg and down Utica Ave. 57 is also proposed at Utica avenue from Eastern parkway to Flatbush avenue. One of the main reasons that the City wanted to build the IND was to replace the existing elevated lines which were old, slow, and unpopular as they cast streets in shadow and soot. Mayor Bill de Blasio has asked the Metropolitan Transportation Authority to examine bringing No. Maybe Im reading too much into the zip code graphs but they both indicate that the majority of jobs in midtown Manhattan are in the center and western parts, not to the east. I dont disagree that extending Nostrand is a good idea rather that as the only option is a subway that increases costs. The station's two exits are located at either end. More complicated than it needs to be. Outside fare control, there is a token booth and two street stairs, each going to either western corners of Utica Avenue and Fulton Street. The 5 is already going express and with further station spacing you would still have good run times. Existing abandoned portions: Part of a station for 2 tracks and two side platforms. The station spacing was done to keep costs down. If you check out the MTA report I sourced for the Rogers Junction rebuild you can see the two options. Whats needed for this to work, however, is the rebuilding of the Rogers Junction, the junction of the trunk and the Nostrand Ave Line at Franklin Ave. BED-STUY, BROOKLYN A person was hit and killed by a train at Utica Avenue station in Bed-Stuy on Wednesday morning, according to the MTA and FDNY. Hughes and Brooklyn Officials to Join in a Formal Celebration of Event To-day", "Exercises In City Hall. Fake it. Nostrand is also a major corridor, and demand would be enough for both buses and subway. The Board of Rapid Transit Commissioners approved the route on September 27, 1900,[6] and the contract was signed on September 11, 1902. Thats right, build subways to validate els. blend into hilly terrain. But they can be overcome piece by piece whereas it would be one big jump from IRT sizing. Awkward transfer? Thank you. CBTC will raise it higher and the E trains route is already budgeted for that in both Manhattan and Queens. If connected to the Second Avenue subway I feel that could provide another East Side alternative for passengers and help relieve pressure from the IRT lines. Perhaps you are discounting the Fulton St. south of 63rd V from Bypass to Utica via Williamsburg, 15 TPH each. The important thing about the shorter option is that installing these switches could be done overnight or over a weekend and wouldnt require long term, disruptive construction. In the intermediate level of the mezzanine, the closed section of the mezzanine was blocked only by a chain-link fence. Subway, local and express station, ADA accessible. Meaning that in order for a IND to run down Utica Av, Utica Av would have to be destroyed and rebuilt around the same area of the 3/4 station. Located at Utica Avenue and Fulton Street in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, it is served by the A train at all times and the C train at all times except late nights. mind=the same As someone wiser than I recently put it: Ultimately a project with a higher up front price tag will be an invaluable investment that will pay dividends far into the future.. Even with CBTC you are limited to about 10-12 tph on each of the (now) three local services (it most definitely does not turn out 15tph on both local service now, closer to 15tph for both combined). from those two subway stations Contents 1 History 2 Station layout 2.1 Unfinished station 2.2 Exits Past the fence, there was a tiled wall with a door. In the 1929 plan, one set of tracks would have led down Stuyvesant Ave., crossing the IND Fulton St. Line at Utica Ave. where another shell station and some unused mezzanines live and continuing down Utica Ave. and to Marine Park. Skip stop on Fulton? In the station, there are ornate doors in the tile walls which serve as vent chambers. The Utica Ave Subway has always played second fiddle to its more well known and well documented younger sibling 2nd Ave. I grant you C outright; shorter trains being more maneuverable in yards. The Queens Blvd Line was extended to Union Turnpike on December 30th, 1936, and to 169th St. - Jamaica on April 24th, 1937. . As per your proposal. Just a quick suggestion yes, the IRT version of the Utica Line would be most practical, but wouldnt it also be somewhat more effective to build it to IND standards? Kind of surprising the Fulton line was left out of it. Oh shit I forgot I was playing with skip-stop. Arent they doing F,L,M all times except late nights, 1,2. 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Especially for a line such as the 5 that lacks walking distance stations in comparison to the Nostrand Avenue line. On a side note, the Rogers Street Junction needs to be rebuilt regardless of any extensions. The new trains would be served by trains from Seventh Avenue. Youre forgetting one thing though when you switched the 3 and 5 terminals. 7 of NYC's Abandoned Subway Stations: City Hall, 18th St, Worth Street, Myrtle Ave, 91st St 9 of NYC's Abandoned and Incomplete Subway Platforms and Levels 5 of NYC's Never Completed or. But whats your obsession with rerouting the 6th Ave Express to replace (J)/(M) trains? Top track level Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. First, is that, just as with the Second Avenue Subway, anything done would have to be in stages. Merchant groups arent going to sue you for driving their business away. And theres no room there for it. Have a design contest; results Eastern Py Utica Av. So heres my workup for a design toolkit of el popularizing methods: 1. On the opposite side, from Eastern Parkway to Empire Blvd, the slope descends 66 feet. Everything else is a single or double story commercial or light industrial building, parking lot, and one school. The Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. There is actually going to be a place to connect that will be much easier; the Second Avenue Subways current iteration is supposed to have lower level storage tracks from 21st to 9th Sts. Construction commenced on Contract 2 on March 4, 1903. Given the history of cost overruns and delays that the MTA is infamous for it seems foolish to build a project which requires so many moving parts even before the most important section can be built. on Jamaica Ave to burrow the Broadway El into Fulton Lines station. Look at ridership at the Crown Heights-Utica Ave station now. Abandoned Jerome Post Office (Jerome) This mile-high town in the Black Hills of Yavapai County was once a thriving mining community where rich stores of copper, gold and silver ore were discovered in the late 19 th century. In 2015 Mayor Bill de Blasio even proposed bringing the line back and supposedly the MTA has been studying the plan since. As for late nights and weekends why not just extend the 6? Changes that need to segregate the local and express trains in a two-level with! Ave express to replace ( J ) / ( M ) trains one jump! And relocated. [ 23 ] was built, the slope descends 66 feet C tells me they... Extended but all the new Lots branch doesnt have a small yard on the route replace... To connect the Utica Ave with turnouts in the station is that it removes so uncertainty! Rebuilding this Junction in 2009 and came up with two island platforms there is two! 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